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wtf_freakindell
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:39 am    Post subject: RE: Moderators of this site Reply with quote

Note to moderators, users, and readers unfamiliar with sanity. The higher up on the food chain they are here, the more they hate Dell. At the top, they hate Dell so much, they don't even look at the real problems these people are experiencing, which, from my reading, is mostly ignorance. Instead of helping these people, they just chime in with more mindless "Yeah, Dhell sucks..." and "Tell everyone you know..." hate-mongering. Why doesn't anyone ever offer actual constructive criticism, or useful alternatives? They have no idea how; they are just angry, ignorant people.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freakindell:

" Instead of helping these people, they just chime in with more mindless "Yeah, Dhell sucks..." and "Tell everyone you know..." hate-mongering. Why doesn't anyone ever offer actual constructive criticism, or useful alternatives? They have no idea how; they are just angry, ignorant people."

Obviously you see things differently than most. People here often offer constructive criticism as well as suggestions on helping bad situations.

I was a very happy camper with Dell for many years having purchased 8 computers/laptops from them. However their lack of standing behind their products and warranties, the inability to reach a human being who could be understood and Dell's obvious contempt towards the individual consumer drove myself and many others to their competition. I can live with an occasional problem with their products but refuse to deal with a company that is so blatant about their indifference towards their customers who have paid a lot of money for products that fail.

If you want a better understanding of why this site exists, invent a problem and call Dell customer support. Let us know how long it takes you to reach a live person. Let us know how long it takes for customer support to tell you to reinstall the operating system. And let us know how long it takes for Dell to lie to you and then turn their backs on you.

Many of us only loyal to companies that return the favor. People bash HP but since I switched to their products, I for one have had only positive experiences. Give me a valid reason to deal with Dell and I'll listen to you.
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Rocke_T_Sinetist
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wtf: I haven't seen YOU say anything constructive. Just snark and snivel.

The 'food chain' here, as you put it, has firsthand engineering and operational knowledge and posts it so that anyone researching a purchase or problem has access to it.

Whilst you snark and snivel. Great contribution. Great credibility building, calling everyone who has a problem with Dell 'ignorant'. Including, by inference, the business press. And the stock market, for letting Dell shares fall from $40 to $8. Yeah, they should be ashamed. I'm sure they would be if business writers and institutional Wall Street investors were as omniscient as you are.
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Tailmon
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed Rocket. Not everyone is ignorant. Not in the least.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: OP - Rocke_T_Sinetist Reply with quote

wtf_freakindell:
I just laughed out loud at this post... allow me to answer your comments.

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You can't live without your computer, so you buy a laptop?


A laptop is not inherently less stable than a desktop - so I don't know what you're getting at here. In fact, what you said it completely true. I bought a laptop, because I need it everywhere I go (traveling, etc.).

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You can't live without your computer, so you have no backup or replacement strategy?


I do have a backup, daily backups in fact. However, now I'm stuck with a desktop at home, which I am rarely at. "I can't live without my computer" is somewhat of an exaggeration of course. I'm obviously alive, aren't I? ha.

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You're so desperate to get your system fixed that you pay out $400 (and maybe for all that shipping) to fix what you know is a lemon.

I paid nothing on shipping at any time.
I know it's a lemon, but it's under warranty, so as far as I'm concerned they need to keep fixing it/replace it until this warranty is up, everytime it breaks. The fact that Dell shipped me a lemon DOES NOT mean that I have to pay 4 * $400 ($1500) to get a new computer of the same caliber. It's their fault, not mine - and therefore I will not pay for it.

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Yeah, "I NEVER have drinks around it, EVER.", I'll believe that, sure.


Believe what you will, but it's true.

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Hey, when you were screwing around inside the computer, looking at that mysteriously broken connector, did you happen to see any water damage?


I saw none. And as you can see by the pictures they sent, which I linked to, the water damage is shown in pretty obscure places, I can't even tell where. So, no - there was no water damage under the keyboard, by the broken connector.


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Oh, oh, how about the shipping, I assume that this extremely important laptop was shipped without any shipping insurance, right? Why would you need that? Damage in shipping.. that NEVER happens, EVER. Sounds like a real RockeT Sinetist to me.


No offense, but You're an idiot. ha. Dell pays for shipping everytime, both ways. They ship the box to me, I ship it back to them in the box - with the label the provide me. I have NOTHING to do with the shipping.

Thanks dude.



As an update for everyone else who agrees this is ridiculous, I'm still waiting on the replacement... it's been 2 weeks now since the BEEP error code - hopefully I'll get a working laptop soon...
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Jess00
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny they said the same thing when I had mine repaired. Water damage my foot. If I have liquid in the same room it's well kept away from my laptop. After hearing about water damage I would've sworn my mom, she brought it for me, would've strangled me
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Rocke_T_Sinetist
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, that's 3 of these 'water damage' claims.

In the lab, if you had 3 of the same problem, you definitely had a problem, not just a fluke. And for every user who makes their way here to post their experience, there are ~1000 people experiencing the same thing from whom we never hear.

I think this is a scam being implemented by the repair contractor to pad their income by charging for warranty repair.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so far the specs on the "my orders" page of the unit are FAR worse than my old laptop. I've been talking to tech support all day and everyone just keeps saying "wait until you get it, that page might be right." I said, well IS it going to be wrong, or MIGHT it be wrong? Because why don't we just find out what the facts are?!?!

Basically, I have to wait til it comes. ugh. Next week sometime, it's looking like.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, thanks for the heads-up.

I've heard of this before. With other independent local places, and now with Dell (I assume HP will be next). Repair centers placing blame back on the customer for repairs, and charging them, even if they are covered under Accidental Damage Protection (making some BS up how their situation "isn't covered").

I have an Acer and got the extended warranty from MicroCenter. Me and my friends have never had a problem with them, but in today's economy, that can change.

I will be taking pics of my computers before sending them in just in case (even my Mac - you never know nowadays).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Back in the days' when Dell hardware was actually good (prior to 2001), even then warranty fulfillment was their 3rd highest cost after parts and labor. Ameliorating warranty costs was our lab's mission. Dell dismantled the lab (laid us all off) and decided to cut costs with an escalating series of roadblocks and inconveniences. Like unintelligible phone answers, 'reinstall Windows', 'there's nothing we can do for you at this time'.

It's rather a natural step from there for them to go to lying about the condition of your warranty machine.

As Yoda once said, "Once to the dark side you have turned, forever will it rule your destiny".
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Business day 19 out of 21, just called - still no updates...
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

business day 22 out of 21.

Dell: "It looks like they've tried to build your replacement computer on 4 different occasions. However, they weren't successful any of those times because they couldn't find the parts."


Really?? You couldn't find the parts???? REALLY???

ugh.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Like they've been trying to build competent hardware for 8 years and weren't successful?

Yep, juzbout like that.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Day 24 Reply with quote

Day 24. Spent 4.5 hours combined on the phone with them yesterday. Got absolutely nowhere.

Trying again today, I'm just trying to get a studio 15 now, because apparently they don't make the parts for the vostro anymore as good as mine, and they are idiots and just keep trying to build it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to do onsite Dell repairs for laptops. I frequently saw spills (or at least the remnants of spills) on the old system board.

When I first joined, BancTec told me (in their certifications) that, "I am the eyes and ears of Dhell...if you see something bad, like liquid or physical damage, call Dhell [and walk out the door if dell tells you not to fix it...oh yea, you won't be paid for the call, either, cuz you didn't do the work.]".

I said GFY, fixed the computer anyway, and left. Always had happy customers. I must've swapped thousands of laptop motherboards, never had a DOA one. Dell was extremely good with quality testing before shipping me the parts.

Those were the days...the days when Dell had happy customers.
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