Dell complaints

[KE7EHA]

hear hear

whatever become of keeping the business life and the personal life separate?
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"The art of Engineering is knowing what you can safely ignore." -Dr. H. Hess

[mrgrunge]

Dear Rocke_T_Sinetist,

Rocke_T_Sinetist, your reply here is awesome and especially knowing that it is coming from a gay person. The broadcast email was totally inappropriate for work. This is equivalent to sending out a Black Pride month, White Pride month, Satan Worshipers month, Morman's month, Christian's month, heterosexual month, STFU month, or whatever fucking month you can think of. This is personal stuff and none of this should arrive in an employees inbox. If you recieve something personal and your having a bad work day, its very possible you will reply personal way. Its sad that someone has lost their job over this.

[FallenAngel]

I'd challenge the reasons cited on termination. It's more inappropriate to assault someone's personal/religious views to 8000 people on a distro list, than it would be to speak up about it.

I'm not gay, and I don't hate gays. However, if I saw that crap in my Inbox, I'd make a stink about it too. Is this some kind of joke? Is this not why they have wallboards, for that type of spam?

Do 8000 (or whatever obscure number) of people on a distro list REALLY need to see that?

I never see anything about "Hetro Week", or "White Rally at North doors" posts? Yet for some reason, Gay Pride gets thrown out to the whole floor? Is it that much more special of an event than any other event? Talk about using both sides of your mouth. They preach diversity, yet when someone spells it out that they have been wronged/offended by that, then they get termed for their beliefs?

Granted, he could've exercised a bit more discretion in how he chose to phrase his argument...but the point remains the same. He wanted to be off that distro list, with regards to the Gay Pride thing because he, like all others do, has rights in the workplace. Far as I'm concerned, his rights were clearly violated and Dell is walking a broad double standard right now on the subject.

You're gay.

I'm not.

That's cool.

Personally I don't care one way or the other.

Just don't force me to "read all about it", and expect me to be civil when MY rights get violated and I speak up about it.

Just my 2 cents.

[KE7EHA]

Well, in my opinion, there will never be equality in 'pride' demonstrations and the whatnot. THis is because that most people are in the majority, not the minorities.

Think about it. If somebody held a white pride rally, they would be branded as racist and ignorant people. If somebody held a straight pride rally, they would be branded as gay-bashers. So on and so forth, but when a minority holds a pride rally, they are doing some 'defending their rights' bull.

There's a double standard in this country [one of many]. I do not agree with this practice, especially at work.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this:

It's your life. Do what you want to do. Be who you choose to be, and so on.

When you enter the workplace, you have a job to do, and so does everybody else there. When you enter the workplace, everyhting else goes out: race, creed, sexual preference, everything. you become an employee.

Thus, since due to equal opportunity nothing can count against you in the hiring process [in theory at least], nothing external should be introduced into your workplace.

It is highly inappropriate for a company to thus send a group mail to advertising one of these events based on a minority community's pride rally [or month or whatever] because it has nothing to do with the workplace.
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"The art of Engineering is knowing what you can safely ignore." -Dr. H. Hess

[gaypride]

Thank GOD (his GOD) that he was fired from Dell.

We don't need bigot, prejudice, WHITE SUPREMICISTS working at our company.

All you idiots who agree with this RETARD who responded to 20,000 people with his racist shit are JUST as bad as he is.

WAY TO GO Dell !!!!

Alex

[PGrefugee]

Here we go. Gaypride illustrates the intolerance from his/her viewpoint. If you do not believe as he or she, you are a biggot and homophobe. What everyone here has stated is that there is no place for special rights given according to sexual orientation, religion, or race in the workplace. Rocke (who is gay himself) stated this most eloquently in an earlier posting in the topic.

Having special events catering to a selective group is inherently divisive and does nothing to bring about a cohesive working environment. Dell needs to stick with "team builders", "town hall meetings" and other activities that strengthen individual teams. Tolerence does not mean acceptance. Tolerance is an acknowledgement that people are different and that what you do is your business as long as it does not negatively impact me in the performance of my job.

Case in point, I am a straight person but I respect Rocke for who he is. We have communicated about our work experiences using the IM feature on this website. I do not care that Rocke is gay, like other gays that I know. He is a person that bleeds red like everyone else, whom I respect. He hits the nail on the head when he states, "For the record, I am gay and I don't think 'gay pride' has any business whatsoever in the workplace. It assaults MY sensibilities!"

[Rocke_T_Sinetist]

To bring the disussion back to Dell,

[Bummajott]

RE: Quote: "This is personal stuff and none of this should arrive in an employees inbox...."

Let's not forget those expensive glossy posters that were all over the Round Rock and Parmer facilities, promoting the event. Interesting how quickly they all came down after the Covey Commotion (I managed to snag one, thinking at the time I'd give it to a Trekkie friend, but now I think I'll keep it).

BTW, it's amusing to note the hypocrisy by Alex, AKA "Gaypride" – calling others “bigot, prejudice, WHITE SUPREMICISTS (sic)”, and then using a derogatory euphemism for mentally-challenged people ("RETARD") to describe Adam Covey. Real class.

- - Bummajott (NOT a spammer!)

[mrgrunge]

Hey "Gaypride", just because you are gay, doesn't mean you can't lead the rest of us to beleive that you have some sort of minimal education. You stick with Dell, and pray to YOUR god, while hiding behind your little Dell monitor and keyboard, because that is the only place you can be accepted. It's not gay people I hate, just stupid people.

[FallenAngel]

Gay Pride breeds intolerance based on witty banter similar to the likes of gaypride.

So we're not gay or pro-gay so we're racist and white supremists eh?

Then a gay community wonders why there is so much intolerance...sad little people like that making statements that have no base or merit.

[KE7EHA]

Exactly what I was saying earlier. Somebody mentions a straight pride, or a white pride event, and they are labeled as white supremacist racists or intolerant bastards.

GayPride, you should be ashamed of yourself. You have demonstrated more intolerance and prejudice than anyone else in this topic.

This is exactly why I believe that race, creed, sexual preference, etc. has no place in the workplace. Look at how it has drug the intolerant dregs of society out into the center of the discussion. The thing that is ironic is the person claiming to promote tolerance is the most intolerant bigot here.

I think that historians will look back at this time period and agree that "diversity" was the scourge of society now, as well as "tolerance." Not that I mean that ACTUAL diversity and tolerance aren't important, but that the concepts of diversity and tolerance have been so corrupted into justifying racism and intolerance and bigotry.
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[ojchillinndc]

I know I am a customer of DELL and have no business in this area but I thought I could offer some quality input into your discussion since I also work for a mega corporation.

Dell isn't the only company who is dealing with the gay and minority issue. I can't knock you for attacking Dell over it 'cause all of you either work or had worked for Dell but every American company is dealing with the gay and minority issue.

I am a minority (Afican American) so I share some input with gays but not fully. I also work with for the US government.

Let me give you some insight into the minority and gay world. Everyday that is not celebrated for a minority cultre or gay thing is consider the white man's day. Maybe that's racist but that's the way it is.

Us minorities see that the white man has EVERYDAY to pond his chest. He has the enitre United States and her glorious 50 states (And I do mean that the US and her 50 states are glorious. I love America and I'll defend her with my life, shoot, it's my job to do so). Every day and month is his to be proud of. So when we get a month to display our pride, we feel it's justified.

Of course, when it comes to gay pride, it's different. There is no month for them and it's still a battle to be accepted for them.

It's easy for us to slam on them 'cause we're not them. And it's hard for us to see things through their eyes 'cause we are not them.

I couldn't care less if the Platoon Sergeant I worked for was gay. I still would work for him as strong if he was straight.

But the gay issue is not isolated to Dell. It is a world wide problem.

One hand you have people telling them that it's okay to come out and walk the streets gay and proud. On the other, you have people who will kill them if they did.

It's easy to knock gay people when you're not one of them. Just like it's easy to knock minorities when you're not one of them.

How we better our selves and grow as a country is when we try our best to look at the other person through their eyes.

It's okay to be gay, black, chinese, puerto rican, and an arab. We all need that special hour, that special day, that special month to pound our chest be proud of who we are. I always look forward to February.

There is nothing wrong with having pride in yourself. It's healthy. And it's more positive then hate. Nothing wrong in being who GOD made you and having pride in it.

Long story short. Dell isn't the only company dealing with it.

As a Dell customer, I'm sorry for coming into your area. Sorry
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I'm burning in the depths of DELL!!!!

[PGrefugee]

Ojchillinndc, you miss the point entirely. We do not hate Gays, African Americans, Asians, Caucasions, Hispanics, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddist, etc... I have no issues with events catering to specific groups, as long as they take place outside of the workplace. Employers should not actively promote any activities that focus on a specific race, religion or lifestyle.

Yes, Adam shouldn't have sent out his response to the entire Dell Product Group, but he should not have been terminated for it. On the other hand by his doing so, a much needed discussion has occured. As for your statement that, "Everyday that is not celebrated for a minority cultre or gay thing is consider the white man's day. Maybe that's racist but that's the way it is", I will not call it racist, but it does seem that you do hold some anamosity toward White America. I do not know your background so I cannot judge, however in the end we all bleed red and we all have to at least "Tolerate" our differences. But again, these are issues that need to stay out of the workplace.

[TestMaggot]

GayPride sounds like a person with some deep personal issues who chose this Forum as a place to vent his/her frustrations with the daily dealings of being gay. Sadly enough our world has not become diverse enough to accept people of all religions, ethic backgrounds, sexual orientation, etc. and the work place is not the place to try to win this battle. If Dell were truly Diverse they would have a month for ALL ethnic backgrounds, religions, sexual orientations, etc. to use to inform everyone of the prejudices against their group but obviously this is not the case.

Adam Covey's email attempted to express this in a manner that some people feel was not professional but other people feel that the initial email was unprofessional as well. Rather than firing him for voicing his opinion they could have warned him or something and then worked to stop something like this from happening again. How can they do that? They can offer Diversity events and such via email to ONLY those people who subscribe to the associated group's distribution list. They need to stop forcing people's lifestyles or views on people that are offended by them.

[SME_247]